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Rise in renewable energy will require more use of fossil fuels

Sunday Gazette Mail -- The Delta Energy Center, a power plant about an hour outside San Francisco, was roaring at nearly full bore one day last month, its four gas and steam turbines churning out 880 megawatts of electricity to the California grid.

On the horizon, across an industrial shipping channel on the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, scores of wind turbines stood dead still. The air was too calm to turn their blades -- or many others across the state that day. Wind provided just 33 megawatts of power statewide in the midafternoon, less than 1 percent of the potential from wind farms capable of producing 4,000 megawatts of electricity.

As is true on many days in California when multibillion-dollar investments in wind and solar energy plants are thwarted by the weather, the void was filled by gas-fired


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teenitup
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 3:49:25 PM

Wish we could get new cleaner coal plants here as well E-Squirrel! Think that can happen under Obama?
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:37:53 PM

honda0105 informs:

"funny how wrong information is distributed."

Germany's "new energy plan", with the pending shuttdown of existing nuclear plants is the building of twenty three brand new coal-fired generation plants. Funny how that doesn't get mentioned every time somebody cites Germany as a leader...
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joeschmo12
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:36:13 PM

california and other states must find an alternative when comes powering their homes. too many blackouts are experienced during the summer time
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Oh no, what's a "greenie" to do?
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 7:10:40 PM

Good news I hope.
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They can't win any way you look...
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Oh no, what's a "greenie" to do?
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 3:50:55 AM

funny how wrong information is distributed. Germany, Crete and other wind and solar users (who have done so for over 20 years in some cases), have reduced their reliance on fossil fuel and their electricity got a lot cheaper.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 1:33:09 AM

Rise in renewable energy will require more use of fossil fuels? One of the problems with renewable energy, when the sun is not shining or the wind is not blowing, very little power is being generated. Its not a perfect world and will need a way to store the generated renewable power until it is needed. A site survey for the best location for wind turbine placement and installation.
Renewable power from solar, wind, hydro, thermal, tidal and/or nuclear.
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
XII/XXII/MMXII!
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 11:52:42 PM

The proponents of "alternative" or "green" energy are often clueless about the realities, and hopelessly optimistic about how easy it is to replace "fossil fuel".

You notice that none of the politicians involved with this have been realistic, which is why California, despite its terrific weather is becoming more and more of a "problem" place to try and live.
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JuicyQ69
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 11:46:36 PM

Figuers...
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 10:05:06 PM

I could use 33 megawatts of power at my house.... for some reason the solar power drops off at night too...
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 10:04:37 PM

Not so green.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 10:04:14 PM

Law of unintended consequences
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 10:03:11 PM

They put the wind turbines on the wrong coast. Should've put it besides DC. Plenty of wind coming from there.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:58:56 PM

Fortunate that we have natural gas to fall back on. It should be on the first team.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:58:30 PM

You didn't know that?
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:57:59 PM

good news
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:55:41 PM

Strange how that works out
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:53:59 PM

Informative...
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:53:13 PM

I don't want to think about the day that we go back to fossil fuels because renewable energy may not be as effective as we thought.i
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:52:51 PM

The concept of renewable energy sounds good, but it is merely a concept for most.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:51:24 PM

Renewable energy is a joke
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:50:31 PM

Get moving with it!
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Can you believe how many dinosaurs are buried under the land called America? And now we want to use these fossilized characters to please the clowns of today. It's mind boggeling
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:49:07 PM

So, invest where there is wind or sun or whatever regularly... Mt. Washington would be a great place for a wind farm. Arizona for a solar farm. Many rivers for water turbines. Think before investing in worthless technology.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:40:34 PM

wow
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:39:39 PM

This is an example of why renewable and traditional energy sources need to work in concert with each other vs being competitors to the whole picture.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:37:21 PM

use some sense, cost vs. worth
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Anything that can help should be appreciated.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:34:39 PM

Is the law of unintended consequences to blame?
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Use natural gas!
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Will be the key to the innovation of energy
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:31:51 PM

Renewable energy is a joke played on the taxpayer by the environmentalists.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:30:04 PM

I will bet that the demand for electricity was also down at that time.
When the air conditioners are running we are getting power from the sun and wind, this may not happen during the winter time when there is less demand for electricity.
Don't forget the other renewable, Hydro electric.
No one said that renewable energy will replace non renewable sources, it just reduces the demand for the non renewable.

[Edited by: dcjauburn at 12/17/2012 11:36:24 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:26:57 PM

That's going to be expensive
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:26:47 PM



How are the elements of fossil fuels regenerated?

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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:26:40 PM

So our need for the capacity to generate power is not reduced by the existence of wind/solar farms after all. We just have a huge investment that's being wasted when the alternate sources can generate power. Boy, that makes sense... (not).
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Renewables are not all they are touted to be.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:21:37 PM

what happen to thinking out side the box.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:21:32 PM

ok
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Old news and not necessarily true.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:18:14 PM

Ok
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They need to have solar arrays as a back up!!
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Quandry here.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:07:40 PM

You can't build wind turbines where the wind is not constant for 90% of the time or you are just wasting your money. We have some turbines just outside our town that have never failed to produce their expected norm for the eight years since they were first installed.
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Hmmm...
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Go with Tax Payer solar! Oh wait they went Bankrupt!
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How do they figure that? lol.
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It always going to play apart, since there is no tech. out there that is a 100% all the time. But the hopes is that we keep moving forward to get there one day.
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