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PD Moderator	Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 1:09:16 PM Ignore PD Report Abuse A few weeks ago we identified the U.S. cities conducting the most aggregious robbery of motorists via 'speed traps'... and here's the flip side of that story, which we're glad to share. One of the reasons speed traps succeed is because too often local residents watch quietly as the revenue rolls in and their local elected muckety mucks are reluctant to upset any revenue streams they can operate with impunity. Both know deep down that such practices are predatory and they're wrong. But now, believe it or not, in northeast Ohio there's an elected official who's trying to shut down a notorious speed trap in Linndale. He's the son of a Cleveland police officer and the father of a police officer too. State Senator Tom Patton... Visit GasBuddy Blog for full article

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A few weeks ago we identified the U.S. cities conducting the most aggregious robbery of motorists via 'speed traps'... and here's the flip side of that story, which we're glad to share.

One of the reasons speed traps succeed is because too often local residents watch quietly as the revenue rolls in and their local elected muckety mucks are reluctant to upset any revenue streams they can operate with impunity. Both know deep down that such practices are predatory and they're wrong.

But now, believe it or not, in northeast Ohio there's an elected official who's trying to shut down a notorious speed trap in Linndale. He's the son of a Cleveland police officer and the father of a police officer too. State Senator Tom Patton...

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stonecold5005 All-Star Author Waco Posts:819 Points:20,605 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 13, 2012 6:41:54 AM Ignore stonecold5005 Report Abuse new
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gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,487 Points:1,346,755 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jun 30, 2012 12:11:13 PM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse Locals need to take action...grass roots style and make sure their city officials know how they feel about speed traps and how they expect their tax dollars to be used. If you want to hire police to write speeding tickets, then thats what you get. If you want them patrolling your neighborhoods day and night guarding agains crime then thats what you need to do. But it takes actual constructive criticism and not blogs and gripes to get it done.
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,487 Points:1,507,735 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jun 29, 2012 7:02:59 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse what are they waiting for
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:8,694 Points:1,570,125 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 28, 2012 9:02:44 PM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse Linndale, Ohio From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Linndale, Ohio — Village — Location of Linndale, Ohio Location of Linndale in Cuyahoga County Coordinates: 41°26'39?N 81°46'3?WCoordinates: 41°26'39?N 81°46'3?W Country United States State Ohio County Cuyahoga Government • Mayor Jo Ann Toczek[1] Area • Total 0.1 sq mi (0.2 km2) • Land 0.1 sq mi (0.2 km2) • Water 0.0 sq mi (0.0 km2) Elevation[2] 758 ft (231 m) Population (2010) • Total 179 • Density 2,039.1/sq mi (787.3/km2) Time zone Eastern (EST) (UTC-5) • Summer (DST) EDT (UTC-4) ZIP code 44135 Area code(s) 216 FIPS code 39-43918[3] GNIS feature ID 1065002[2] Linndale is the smallest village in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, United States. It is landlocked, surrounded by the cities of Cleveland and Brooklyn. According to the 2010 census, the village achieved the second highest growth rate in Cuyahoga County: 53% as the population increased from 117 to 179, although the last house was built in 1968 and there are only 37 residential addresses.[4] Linndale is site of the busiest, on a per-capita basis, Mayor's Court in the State of Ohio.[5] The village has successfully defended its legal right to enforce the 60 mph speed limit on the 422 yards of Interstate 71 within its jurisdiction under the "Home Rule" provisions of the state constitution.[6][7] The combination of traffic enforcement and Mayor's Court provides 80% of Linndale's one million dollar annual budget, and underwrites its four full-time and ten part-time police officers.[8] Contents 1 Geography 2 Demographics 3 References 4 External links Geography Linndale is located at 41°26'39?N 81°46'3?W (41.444050, -81.767476).[9] According to the United States Census Bureau, the village has a total area of 0.1 square miles (0.26 km2), all of it land.
stonecold5005 All-Star Author Waco Posts:819 Points:20,605 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 7:31:43 AM Ignore stonecold5005 Report Abuse new
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:8,694 Points:1,570,125 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 2:45:13 PM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse The thing with this situation is, the "town" in question is so small that its unclear if the town limits even stretch to the nearest exit ramp. The entrance ramp would certainly be outside of their jurisdiction. they are way to small to have a fire dept or a school of any sort and they are in the "middle" of Cleveland. they shouldn't be a town at all, they should be taken in by a surrounding city and all the town officials fired and maybe prosecuted.
99dakota Champion Author Providence Posts:8,250 Points:2,199,425 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jun 20, 2012 4:04:45 AM Ignore 99dakota Report Abuse greed at work
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,487 Points:1,346,755 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 1:51:19 PM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse Either that or slow down.
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:6,102 Points:1,302,725 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jun 15, 2012 10:33:37 PM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse Okay...
stonecold5005 All-Star Author Waco Posts:819 Points:20,605 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 15, 2012 7:19:06 AM Ignore stonecold5005 Report Abuse new
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,487 Points:1,507,735 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jun 15, 2012 6:32:31 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse old news
OHMS Champion Author Orange County Posts:13,860 Points:1,717,570 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jun 15, 2012 4:03:03 AM Ignore OHMS Report Abuse You go OHIA Senator Patton.
papou Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,007 Points:1,930,885 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 5:05:43 AM Ignore papou Report Abuse Something something needs to be done I hope he has great success
jeskibuff Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,034 Points:1,474,560 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 4:54:18 AM Ignore jeskibuff Report Abuse Hunter114 said: "Municipalities love ticket revenue, it's ne way the can bilk the citizenry when sales and property taxes are exhausted." Yeah, but this Linndale trap has existed for decades, through both robust economic times and downturns. It's just plain old money grubbing by Linndale.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,818 Points:1,636,245 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 3:58:09 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Kar: that would require a backbone, something most politicians seem to sorely lack these days.
KAR120CSII Champion Author Oregon Posts:3,282 Points:641,005 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:43:20 AM Ignore KAR120CSII Report Abuse How about going after the gas prices fixers and speculators, Senator?
D61 Rookie Author British Columbia Posts:90 Points:82,575 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 9:18:21 AM Ignore D61 Report Abuse Up coming election?mmmm
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,487 Points:1,346,755 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 8:59:21 AM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse Small towns need to keep a tighter rein on their cops. Police departments tend to want to buy more gadgets than they know how to run. The back room is often piled high with yesterdays stuff--stuff that is often used to turn enough revenue to buy more useless stuff with which to molest and bother the motoring public who may well be having their house broken into even as the ticket is written. If we look at our bottom line, just how much money does the dept bring in for anyone but themselves and their future growth?
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,818 Points:1,636,245 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 3:53:58 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse albert: indeed. Politicians often change like the proverbial weathervane.
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,487 Points:1,507,735 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jun 10, 2012 7:26:36 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse for now
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,818 Points:1,636,245 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 10, 2012 6:38:31 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse nice attempt to try doing what's right, not what fills the coffers.
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,487 Points:1,507,735 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 7:08:02 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse now whay for tax grab
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,168 Points:307,705 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 9, 2012 6:55:58 AM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse ok
goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:11,065 Points:1,948,630 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 2:20:02 PM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse Curious.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,059 Points:3,549,400 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 5:03:29 PM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse "Sullivan, Indiana is an example of this. It sits on U.S. 41, a four-lane divided highway, and it has several streets that cross the highway. They've had numerous bad accidents over the years, some with fatalities.' But Linndale doesn't have a single entrance or exit connecting to the highway. Huge difference. As I said Linndale police have to leave Linndale to even get to the highway! If this were occasional speed monitoring, nobody would have a problem, but 24/7 pretty much shows the only reason Linndale even has a police force is to issue speeding tickets to cars that don't pass through any of the towns streets. [Edited by: rumbleseat at 6/7/2012 7:05:10 PM EST]
bowler360 Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,105 Points:526,275 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 4:04:28 PM Ignore bowler360 Report Abuse He probably got a tkt there.
Galmar352 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:10,158 Points:1,882,625 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 3:20:08 PM Ignore Galmar352 Report Abuse If you ain't speedin', they ain't a problem!!
dlemma Champion Author Wyoming Posts:4,241 Points:1,581,745 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 1:06:58 PM Ignore dlemma Report Abuse agree, mrcopy.
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,203 Points:1,997,690 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 12:14:14 PM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse I avoid all speed traps with a passion because I am always driving 5 miles under the limit!
MRCOPY Champion Author Ohio Posts:11,031 Points:2,222,220 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 10:31:46 AM Ignore MRCOPY Report Abuse This legislation is long over due. The state highway patrol is responsible for monitoring the interstates, not Linndale police. Just because the highway cuts across a corner of that little burg (which technically has no interstate access to I-71)should not have jurisdiction to ticket freeway motorists because of geography.
OTISFL Champion Author Pensacola Posts:4,745 Points:892,540 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 10:10:58 AM Ignore OTISFL Report Abuse Nothing wrong with speed traps, only to those who speeed.
packards42 Champion Author Washington Posts:6,535 Points:1,147,920 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:28:57 AM Ignore packards42 Report Abuse Speed traps, should be outlawed.
bluebird1 Champion Author Toronto Posts:15,868 Points:3,133,875 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:28:31 AM Ignore bluebird1 Report Abuse So glad to see even reporting!!!
msgt_usa Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,611 Points:956,730 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:25:45 AM Ignore msgt_usa Report Abuse There are pros and cons with these issues. Of course safety is important but if a locality deliberately sets up a speed trap soley for producing revenue, then this is not right.
matthwbar Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,198 Points:1,044,530 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:14:30 AM Ignore matthwbar Report Abuse Noble cause...
doctorindyj Champion Author Santa Fe Posts:3,538 Points:864,310 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:14:14 AM Ignore doctorindyj Report Abuse "One of the reasons speed traps succeed is because too often local residents watch quietly as the revenue rolls in and their local elected muckety mucks are reluctant to upset any revenue streams they can operate with impunity." It's fine until you're the one getting grifted. I can't imagine that locals were not caught in that speed trap at some point. I'm all for safety but as the article points out this has nothing to do with safety.
dave1745 Champion Author Gary Posts:1,262 Points:761,775 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:05:17 AM Ignore dave1745 Report Abuse good
eeek Champion Author Cleveland Posts:15,410 Points:3,117,985 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:05:16 AM Ignore eeek Report Abuse I wish him luck, there is no other way to describe Linndale other than a speed trap. The cops have to drive through the surrounding cities just to get to their little patch on I-71.
drobbbb Champion Author Maryland Posts:3,585 Points:836,035 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:04:46 AM Ignore drobbbb Report Abuse we need more of that. Most people don't have a problem if they are trully set up for safety. The problem is with all these cash strapped jurisdictions, the need the money and speed traps are easy money
wigster102 Sophomore Author Dallas Posts:111 Points:652,600 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:04:29 AM Ignore wigster102 Report Abuse I would love to see more of this happening in my area.
JXQW Champion Author Kansas City Posts:2,787 Points:691,975 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:04:17 AM Ignore JXQW Report Abuse right
darkform Veteran Author Illinois Posts:365 Points:384,970 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:01:12 AM Ignore darkform Report Abuse Thats a lot of revenue from tickets. Police probably dont have anything to do but write tickets.
Emmamae1 Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,204 Points:615,590 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:00:41 AM Ignore Emmamae1 Report Abuse good for consumers
DABEE1073 Champion Author San Diego Posts:8,345 Points:1,598,835 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:00:29 AM Ignore DABEE1073 Report Abuse TELL THE SPEED TRAP TOWN THAT THEY MUST HAVE THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE THEIR OWN SCHOOLS. IF THAT FAILS, LOAD UP THE JAIL BY NOT PAYING THE FINE, THREE HOTS AND A COT WILL COST THEM MORE TIME AND MONEY THEN IT WOULD BE WORTH. MORE THAN THE $800,000 THEY COLLECT NOW. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HIRE MORE COPS AND BUILD A BIGGER JAIL, SCHOOLS AND A FIRE HOUSE AND FIRE TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT. ALSO MAKE THEM PROVE THE ALL 179 RESIDENTS OF LEGAL RESIDENTS.
hailsupersport Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,230 Points:231,060 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:00:21 AM Ignore hailsupersport Report Abuse ok
citationbob Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:9,785 Points:1,645,050 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 8:58:19 AM Ignore citationbob Report Abuse Crooked cops are everywhere. It's not about public safety it's about revenue.
hibsaw Champion Author Mississippi Posts:8,178 Points:1,708,690 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 8:58:00 AM Ignore hibsaw Report Abuse Shut the speed traps down.